Comments on: GURU DUTT: THE GURU OF CINEMA (Part 1) http://desitrain.com/2006/08/10/guru-dutt-the-guru-of-cinema-part-1/ Notes on a desi's journey... Fri, 29 Aug 2008 04:12:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: shatrughan singh http://desitrain.com/2006/08/10/guru-dutt-the-guru-of-cinema-part-1/#comment-50211 shatrughan singh Wed, 28 Mar 2007 06:14:58 +0000 http://www.desitrain.com/2006/08/10/guru-dutt-the-guru-of-cinema-part-1/#comment-50211 Hi kartik, its was great article but personally i fell saahir was his best in this movie but he also wrote songs as par of pyasa for like movies hum dono,kabhi kabhi,taj mahal.woh suboh kabhi to aaygi. Hi kartik,

its was great article but personally i fell saahir was his best in this movie but he also wrote songs as par of pyasa for like movies hum dono,kabhi kabhi,taj mahal.woh suboh kabhi to aaygi.

]]> By: thilak http://desitrain.com/2006/08/10/guru-dutt-the-guru-of-cinema-part-1/#comment-5414 thilak Mon, 14 Aug 2006 08:06:46 +0000 http://www.desitrain.com/2006/08/10/guru-dutt-the-guru-of-cinema-part-1/#comment-5414 gr8..Being unfamiliar it was really informative but you must have notified the spoilers. :( Now I know the whole plot!!!!!! gr8..Being unfamiliar it was really informative but you must have notified the spoilers. :( Now I know the whole plot!!!!!!

]]> By: Kartik http://desitrain.com/2006/08/10/guru-dutt-the-guru-of-cinema-part-1/#comment-5346 Kartik Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:22:30 +0000 http://www.desitrain.com/2006/08/10/guru-dutt-the-guru-of-cinema-part-1/#comment-5346 @Boss: Waqt ney kiya ..... coming in next post :-) Thoda waqt intezaar .... :)>- @Faltu: Pyaasa ia a MUST SEE !!! HIGHLY HIGHLY RECOMMENDED... If urnt great at hindi/urdu shayari then it might be better to sit with someone who is, or worst com worse see a subtitled version (although that may be killing !!!). Trust me u will be amazed how beautiful black and white films look sometimes as compared to colour films :-) Its also one of the few black and white oldish films that are set in calcutta. @sophocles: Yeah baby .... Guru Dutt and Abrar debated the escapist angle... In fact GD didnt even want vijay to go with Waheeda rahman towards the end. The original ending was just when GD leaves the hall and mala sinha... and that was it. However distributors didnt like it and they said they wanted a 'happy ending' GD relented and Vijay walked away with waheeda... @Boss: Waqt ney kiya ….. coming in next post :-) Thoda waqt intezaar …. :)>-

@Faltu: Pyaasa ia a MUST SEE !!! HIGHLY HIGHLY RECOMMENDED… If urnt great at hindi/urdu shayari then it might be better to sit with someone who is, or worst com worse see a subtitled version (although that may be killing !!!). Trust me u will be amazed how beautiful black and white films look sometimes as compared to colour films :-)
Its also one of the few black and white oldish films that are set in calcutta.

@sophocles: Yeah baby …. Guru Dutt and Abrar debated the escapist angle… In fact GD didnt even want vijay to go with Waheeda rahman towards the end. The original ending was just when GD leaves the hall and mala sinha… and that was it. However distributors didnt like it and they said they wanted a ‘happy ending’ GD relented and Vijay walked away with waheeda…

]]> By: sophocles http://desitrain.com/2006/08/10/guru-dutt-the-guru-of-cinema-part-1/#comment-5338 sophocles Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:43:33 +0000 http://www.desitrain.com/2006/08/10/guru-dutt-the-guru-of-cinema-part-1/#comment-5338 on the topic of Guru Dutt and talking of Kagaz ke phool....the scene which really amazes me for its sheer brilliance is the towards the end..when Waheeda rahman recognises GD and runs behind him...there is something extremely honest and raw about it..her desperation to run behind him and the crowd thronging her for an autograph.... and i never actually thought of the escapist angle..and how AB and SJ changed that....true very true... on the topic of Guru Dutt and talking of Kagaz ke phool….the scene which really amazes me for its sheer brilliance is the towards the end..when Waheeda rahman recognises GD and runs behind him…there is something extremely honest and raw about it..her desperation to run behind him and the crowd thronging her for an autograph….

and i never actually thought of the escapist angle..and how AB and SJ changed that….true very true…

]]> By: Full2 Faltu http://desitrain.com/2006/08/10/guru-dutt-the-guru-of-cinema-part-1/#comment-5329 Full2 Faltu Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:05:04 +0000 http://www.desitrain.com/2006/08/10/guru-dutt-the-guru-of-cinema-part-1/#comment-5329 That was a great post karthik I have not seen Pyasa but now i will see it. The way you have analysed is simply great. Oz You really got competition man! Punds That was a great post karthik

I have not seen Pyasa but now i will see it. The way you have analysed is simply great.

Oz
You really got competition man!

Punds

]]> By: ThE_BoSs http://desitrain.com/2006/08/10/guru-dutt-the-guru-of-cinema-part-1/#comment-5327 ThE_BoSs Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:10:35 +0000 http://www.desitrain.com/2006/08/10/guru-dutt-the-guru-of-cinema-part-1/#comment-5327 Good Job Karthik.I gotta admit,Guru Dutt was truly a pioneer.Nobody used light better than him.For example the picturisation of Waqt Ne Kiya Kya Haseen Sitam,amazing Good Job Karthik.I gotta admit,Guru Dutt was truly a pioneer.Nobody used light better than him.For example the picturisation of Waqt Ne Kiya Kya Haseen Sitam,amazing

]]> By: Kartik http://desitrain.com/2006/08/10/guru-dutt-the-guru-of-cinema-part-1/#comment-5319 Kartik Fri, 11 Aug 2006 04:58:35 +0000 http://www.desitrain.com/2006/08/10/guru-dutt-the-guru-of-cinema-part-1/#comment-5319 @ Sumeet : Thanx bro .... Coming soon in few days time :-) Kaagaz key phool ...phew there might be lots to write about ... Also coming is an UBRIDGED VERSION OF AN ARTICLE WHICH APPEARED IN TELEGRAPH MAGAZINE WHICH WAS WRITTEN BY THE GURU HIMSELF..... contemplating on the debate between "Classics and Cash" @ Thanks Nadeem .... GD's cinema found appreciation all over the world .... Good to see its influence till Washington (rather than a crappy devdas going there) FYI ...E dil hai mushkil....was from CID ....produced by GD but directed by Raj khosla ...Nevertheless its a beautiful song ..... and set to delightful lyrics by (i think) Majrooh sultanpuri. Me in mumbai ....sing that song every day ... :-) Funny to whink wat it would sound if it was suno suno suno zaalima .... lol Song picturisation ....yes yes....of course... who can ever forget GD's song picturisation ... By the way ...that song is "jinhe naaz hai hind pe woh kahan hein.. kahan hein.. kahan hein… kahan hein…." Timangshu Dhulia (director Haasil- Charas) once said that Pyaasa is one of the most political films...without actually showing politics !!! @ Sumeet : Thanx bro …. Coming soon in few days time :-) Kaagaz key phool …phew there might be lots to write about …

Also coming is an UBRIDGED VERSION OF AN ARTICLE WHICH APPEARED IN TELEGRAPH MAGAZINE WHICH WAS WRITTEN BY THE GURU HIMSELF….. contemplating on the debate between “Classics and Cash”

@ Thanks Nadeem …. GD’s cinema found appreciation all over the world …. Good to see its influence till Washington (rather than a crappy devdas going there)

FYI …E dil hai mushkil….was from CID ….produced by GD but directed by Raj khosla …Nevertheless its a beautiful song ….. and set to delightful lyrics by (i think) Majrooh sultanpuri. Me in mumbai ….sing that song every day … :-)

Funny to whink wat it would sound if it was suno suno suno zaalima …. lol

Song picturisation ….yes yes….of course… who can ever forget GD’s song picturisation …

By the way …that song is “jinhe naaz hai hind pe woh kahan hein.. kahan hein.. kahan hein… kahan hein….”

Timangshu Dhulia (director Haasil- Charas) once said that Pyaasa is one of the most political films…without actually showing politics !!!

]]> By: Nadeem http://desitrain.com/2006/08/10/guru-dutt-the-guru-of-cinema-part-1/#comment-5316 Nadeem Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:56:42 +0000 http://www.desitrain.com/2006/08/10/guru-dutt-the-guru-of-cinema-part-1/#comment-5316 Excellent work Karthik. I have also always found Guru Dutt to be a brilliant, much ahead of his time film maker. Last year in Washington DC (I live here) there was a festival of GD's films. And I went for it despite having seen all of them earlier. There were quite a few non-Indians there too who had heard about him and were asking Qs about him. He was a visionary which is proven by the story of Kaagaz ke Phool. And also by the brilliant song "Eh dil hai mushkil jeena yahan, zara hat ke zara bach ke, yeh hai bombay meri jaan".... His song picturisation was amazing. The background he had in most shots was very relevant and significant to that shot/moment in the movie. About that song in Aar Paar (sun sun Zaalima) I have also heard about the grammar in the lyrics and how GD insisted on using 'humko' to give it that slight different effect. Another classic song is one from Pyaasa, when is drunk and walking down the streets of a red light area. And he sings about the leaders and lovers of the country not doing their job, and women have to sell themselves. Can't remember the lyrics. Good job. Excellent work Karthik. I have also always found Guru Dutt to be a brilliant, much ahead of his time film maker. Last year in Washington DC (I live here) there was a festival of GD’s films. And I went for it despite having seen all of them earlier. There were quite a few non-Indians there too who had heard about him and were asking Qs about him.
He was a visionary which is proven by the story of Kaagaz ke Phool. And also by the brilliant song “Eh dil hai mushkil jeena yahan, zara hat ke zara bach ke, yeh hai bombay meri jaan”….
His song picturisation was amazing. The background he had in most shots was very relevant and significant to that shot/moment in the movie.
About that song in Aar Paar (sun sun Zaalima) I have also heard about the grammar in the lyrics and how GD insisted on using ‘humko’ to give it that slight different effect.
Another classic song is one from Pyaasa, when is drunk and walking down the streets of a red light area. And he sings about the leaders and lovers of the country not doing their job, and women have to sell themselves. Can’t remember the lyrics.

Good job.

]]> By: sumeet http://desitrain.com/2006/08/10/guru-dutt-the-guru-of-cinema-part-1/#comment-5313 sumeet Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:03:51 +0000 http://www.desitrain.com/2006/08/10/guru-dutt-the-guru-of-cinema-part-1/#comment-5313 Brilliant Karthik... You have summed up a few films of his really good. The way you laid out the whole think is awesome. Eagerly waiting on Kagaz ke Phool and Sahib Biwi Aur Ghulam Brilliant Karthik… You have summed up a few films of his really good. The way you laid out the whole think is awesome. Eagerly waiting on Kagaz ke Phool and Sahib Biwi Aur Ghulam

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